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		<title>By: dablackanarch</title>
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		<dc:creator>dablackanarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing the amount of outrage that&#039;s expressed when these people are caught lying about their credentials.  Most people just buy into the &quot;I need a degree to get paid&quot; idea and beg and borrow to get a degree.

The fact is that Jim made a good point when he said that it&#039;s ludicrous for these companies to require basic and advanced degrees for jobs that obviously don&#039;t require it.  No one, of course, is outraged about this.  In fact, the majority of jobs (paying a decent salary) require an undergrad degree of some kind (associates&#039;, batchelors&#039;)

Our parents and grandparents were working at these same jobs, for the most part, and with an high school education as their major educational achievement.

I believe that there are two reasons why this situation has become the norm.  One, corporations can minimize the amount of applicants for various positions by simply raising the degree requirements (see Google for an example).  Two, because, somehow we&#039;ve made a degree equal with education.  There are many people graduating with degrees who don&#039;t know their heads from a hole in the ground.  However, they borrowed, begged or were given enough money to buy a degree and so are rewarded with better pay and perks.

I do not have a degree and, I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;ll ever get one.  I am sick of the lousy time trap designed to keep people out of the workforce and in debt.  If corporations were really concerned about the education level of their applicants and employees, they would take education out of the hands of tenured, degree-laden educrats and train people for the work they require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing the amount of outrage that&#8217;s expressed when these people are caught lying about their credentials.  Most people just buy into the &#8220;I need a degree to get paid&#8221; idea and beg and borrow to get a degree.</p>
<p>The fact is that Jim made a good point when he said that it&#8217;s ludicrous for these companies to require basic and advanced degrees for jobs that obviously don&#8217;t require it.  No one, of course, is outraged about this.  In fact, the majority of jobs (paying a decent salary) require an undergrad degree of some kind (associates&#8217;, batchelors&#8217;)</p>
<p>Our parents and grandparents were working at these same jobs, for the most part, and with an high school education as their major educational achievement.</p>
<p>I believe that there are two reasons why this situation has become the norm.  One, corporations can minimize the amount of applicants for various positions by simply raising the degree requirements (see Google for an example).  Two, because, somehow we&#8217;ve made a degree equal with education.  There are many people graduating with degrees who don&#8217;t know their heads from a hole in the ground.  However, they borrowed, begged or were given enough money to buy a degree and so are rewarded with better pay and perks.</p>
<p>I do not have a degree and, I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;ll ever get one.  I am sick of the lousy time trap designed to keep people out of the workforce and in debt.  If corporations were really concerned about the education level of their applicants and employees, they would take education out of the hands of tenured, degree-laden educrats and train people for the work they require.</p>
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		<title>By: RB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people made it very far without the authentic credentials it would have taken for them to get the job, and having made it so far, one would assume that they did just fine without those pricey, impressive degrees.  So maybe the question is not &quot;how can we make sure that people can&#039;t get away with such deception&quot;, but should be &quot;how can we make sure we aren&#039;t missing out on great and talented people who don&#039;t have the impressive resume points we seek out&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people made it very far without the authentic credentials it would have taken for them to get the job, and having made it so far, one would assume that they did just fine without those pricey, impressive degrees.  So maybe the question is not &#8220;how can we make sure that people can&#8217;t get away with such deception&#8221;, but should be &#8220;how can we make sure we aren&#8217;t missing out on great and talented people who don&#8217;t have the impressive resume points we seek out&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: JimStroud.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Six (more) people who were caught lying on their resumes</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimStroud.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Six (more) people who were caught lying on their resumes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I thought my initial post was eye-opening. I guess this kind of thing is more prevalent than one would realize, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post!  I had heard of Marilee Jones but none of the others...wow...can you imagine the look on their faces when they realized they were caught...but can you really believe it took so long to figure them out...

Thanks....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post!  I had heard of Marilee Jones but none of the others&#8230;wow&#8230;can you imagine the look on their faces when they realized they were caught&#8230;but can you really believe it took so long to figure them out&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never has occurred to me to lie on my resume.  Naively, though I&#039;ve done a fair bit of hiring, it never occurred to me until recent years that a significant portion of the hundreds of resumes I looked at over the years might be falsified.

To me, the resume never was a make-or-break thing anyhow.  It just verified the &quot;floor,&quot; i.e., the minimum requirements to get you an interview.  To be considered for a position, you needed a degree and a couple years of relevant experience.  The actual hiring decision came down to work samples, results of some light testing, and one or two rounds of interviews.

At the executive level, I would think padding the resume would carry an unacceptably high risk of getting caught, since much of what&#039;s on it would be more easily verifiable than for some mid-level person.   I understand we want executives to be risk-takers, but sheesh, is honesty too much to expect?

Are these executives so insecure about what they&#039;ve accomplished that they don&#039;t think it&#039;s enough?  Apparently so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never has occurred to me to lie on my resume.  Naively, though I&#8217;ve done a fair bit of hiring, it never occurred to me until recent years that a significant portion of the hundreds of resumes I looked at over the years might be falsified.</p>
<p>To me, the resume never was a make-or-break thing anyhow.  It just verified the &#8220;floor,&#8221; i.e., the minimum requirements to get you an interview.  To be considered for a position, you needed a degree and a couple years of relevant experience.  The actual hiring decision came down to work samples, results of some light testing, and one or two rounds of interviews.</p>
<p>At the executive level, I would think padding the resume would carry an unacceptably high risk of getting caught, since much of what&#8217;s on it would be more easily verifiable than for some mid-level person.   I understand we want executives to be risk-takers, but sheesh, is honesty too much to expect?</p>
<p>Are these executives so insecure about what they&#8217;ve accomplished that they don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s enough?  Apparently so.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lying on your resume isn&#039;t just for executives anymore.  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/nyregion/11mayor.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lying on your resume isn&#8217;t just for executives anymore.  <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/nyregion/11mayor.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/11/nyregion/11mayor.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 18:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case I naively thought that once some one reached this level of stature of employment and pay there was some type of honesty engrained in their nature to forfeit the notion of lying on a resume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case I naively thought that once some one reached this level of stature of employment and pay there was some type of honesty engrained in their nature to forfeit the notion of lying on a resume.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people are CEO&#039;s, CFO&#039;s or at least in the top position in their company.

What about the regular positions that applicants gloss over the facts on their resumes.

Too many times I&#039;ve seen resumes that claim a great skill set  but when the applicant is hired they can&#039;t do the work or have no idea what to do.

What do you do about these people lying or when it seems that everyone that has applied is lying, how do you select an applicant?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people are CEO&#8217;s, CFO&#8217;s or at least in the top position in their company.</p>
<p>What about the regular positions that applicants gloss over the facts on their resumes.</p>
<p>Too many times I&#8217;ve seen resumes that claim a great skill set  but when the applicant is hired they can&#8217;t do the work or have no idea what to do.</p>
<p>What do you do about these people lying or when it seems that everyone that has applied is lying, how do you select an applicant?</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claudia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Would they have gotten this far without their fake CVs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Would they have gotten this far without their fake CVs?</p>
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